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CHRIS: Right, smoking in the auditorium! BILLY: We did do a four or five week tour right around Christmas time though but it was in between recording the album. BILLY: We played a community center in Chicago during our 1968 tour for a bunch of hip kids. BILLY: We did do a four or five week tour right around Christmas time though but it was in between recording the album. I was actually asked to audition for The Guardsmen along with a couple of other people. We had a full orchestra. We did the “Summer Shower of Stars” tour following that in the summer of 1967 with Sam the Sham and the Pharaohs and Tommy James and the Shondells. CHRIS: We came up with a list of tracks we wanted to do that had a cartoon theme to them. JOHN: When “I Needed You” was recorded, Chris had all the lights turned down and he made us step off to the side so we weren’t in his vision. Then and now across a span of 40 years, left to right (both pics): Billy Taylor, Bill Balogh, Chris Nunley. The stage was backlit so you could barely see a row out, the rest was just noise! We had a full orchestra. Did they still want to continue with the novelty records? JOHN: We did the Mike Douglas Show. I didn’t know there were union rules and stuff like that! We will now sing together the story of the beloved Red Baron and that pig-headed dog Snoopy! Here’s a bunch of garage band kids with an amazing record on their hands and thrust into the world of big rock and roll! The true image kept asserting itself. We had record companies calling, Gernhard was all excited and of course, we were too. Did they still want to continue with the novelty records? Tom Richards (lead guitar), How did that photo shoot come about? I also played this big line of tubular bells with flip flops on! After a while, it got to where we would do the Snoopy songs first just to get them out of the way. ET: So as the hierarchy of local groups went at that time, The Royal Guardsmen were at the top of the list? He ratted me out and we got suspended. The album was good but they were just throwing the single out there to keep it going. The voice then said “to you, yes, don’t touch the microphone”! A lot of people were introduced to this single at a young age and when they flipped the record over they were in for a very jarring surprise on the B side. Billy Taylor: Ironically, Chris’s dad was my family doctor so I knew the Nunley family. CHRIS: We wanted to write serious music. ET: Did Phil Gernhard have permission from Charles Schulz to use Snoopy? Gernhard came out to hear it and we figured he won’t like it, he’ll leave us alone! That was our way of dealing with the whole situation. That was our way of dealing with the whole situation. The true image kept asserting itself. ET: Did you do any touring in support of “Snoopy Vs. I didn’t know there were union rules and stuff like that! I remember them saying they were getting the sound of my flip flops in the recording as I ran down the bells but I didn’t think anyone would be able to hear it. It was pure Dick Holler. I also played this big line of tubular bells with flip flops on! BARRY: We did one show in Seattle at a huge coliseum called The Round. BILL: It was the only thing we had left in the can! BILLY: I think we recorded that around August or early September because it was released the week before Thanksgiving. BILL: We didn’t want to do any more novelty type tunes. That was our way of dealing with the whole situation. ET: Obviously, there was an official image of The Royal Guardsmen that was sold to the public and there was the true image behind that one that was a different group. We went back into the studio in Tampa almost immediately. It was pure Dick Holler. BILLY: I think that’s what kept us going. BILL: We weren’t too enthusiastic about it in the first place because all Gernhard had told us was to give it three or four chords and a military feel on the drums. Diese Seite wurde zuletzt am 21. ET: Did you play different tracks live than what was on the albums? How did that photo shoot come about? We were aware of Billy Taylor from playing out at Johnson’s Beach and we knew what he was capable of. We changed our name to The Royal Guardsmen because we were going to buy all of this Vox equipment which was English. The album was good but they were just throwing the single out there to keep it going. I just felt embarrassed to say “The Posmen”. I was only seventeen and I didn’t know what was going to happen if I told them I was the one making that noise! BARRY: I had turned eighteen already and I was in the draft. The stage was backlit so you could barely see a row out, the rest was just noise! JOHN: Of all the songs we did I think that one had the nicest production. Barry Winslow (vocals/guitar), We got called into the Principal’s office one day and were told you can’t stay here like that, you have to get a hair cut or we’ll throw you out. I was into the sound effects and finding things to hit that would make neat noises! They wanted to get something out there and keep it going. BARRY: We did one show in Seattle at a huge coliseum called The Round. Tom was the only one in the whole school who had red hair so eventually they figured it was him. ET: That’s funny because on the cover of “The Return of the Red Baron” album, you and Tom have the shortest hair in the group. That was our way of dealing with the whole situation. CHRIS: We wanted to write serious music. We will now sing together the story of the beloved Red Baron and that pig-headed dog Snoopy! Schulz eventually gave his consent, they got a pretty healthy chunk of money, and we moved right on down the road. Chris had the vocals for the Jagger and Burdon styles and Barry had the vocals for the Beatles. They accepted me as the drummer even though I had never played drums before; I just lied to them and told them I did! We were a cover band back in the days before the term caught on. We were a cover band back in the days before the term caught on. It was booming through the riser I was on. BILLY: We did a version of “Charlie Brown” for that album which was my only chance to be a star vocally. We went back into the studio in Tampa almost immediately. JOHN: When “I Needed You” was recorded, Chris had all the lights turned down and he made us step off to the side so we weren’t in his vision. Scenes from the "Snoopy vs The Red Baron" video filmed at the St. Petersburg Executive Airport and included in the 1968 television special, "The Fabulous Funnies". It was pure Dick Holler. BILL: We played the Beatles, the Rolling Stones, the Animals, and the Zombies. We got called into the Principal’s office one day and were told you can’t stay here like that, you have to get a hair cut or we’ll throw you out. People were blown away with what we were playing. I would call the gunfights on Saturdays and then play the piano for the can can shows. They had great harmony together. CHRIS: (in German accent) Attention! The voice then said “to you, yes, don’t touch the microphone”! ET: Well the Charlie Brown in that song is a different one from the Peanut’s Charlie Brown and not painted in the most upstanding of lights. I said “who is that, God”? Then Larry Rich got his draft notice and decided to join the Navy. Tom Richards (lead guitar), We’re trying to get this song cut and we’re showing it to a lot of local bands to see who comes up with the best treatment. An updated version is "Snoopy vs Osama" which has received a lot of playing time on stations across America. When we got the album done and they listed the songs, Charles Schulz asked us not to include that one. CHRIS: We got a good response to the shows. BARRY: We did one show in Seattle at a huge coliseum called The Round. BILL: That same music store, which was in the Pine Street shopping center in Ocala, is where Jay, who was our guitar player but was now our manager, ran into a guy named John Veciana. It had “Baby Let’s Wait” on the A side and “Leaving Me” on the B side because those were the first two songs we recorded. He was just a wonderful guy, just warm and personal. CHRIS: Right, smoking in the auditorium! Discover releases, reviews, track listings, recommendations, and more about The Royal Guardsmen / Barry Winslow - Snoopy's Christmas / The Smallest Astronaut at Discogs. ET: How much input did you have into the tracks that went on the album? JOHN: Of all the songs we did I think that one had the nicest production. Bill Balogh (bass), and a We had people come up to us afterwards and say we came to laugh at the Snoopy boys but you guys can play! We did the “Summer Shower of Stars” tour following that in the summer of 1967 with Sam the Sham and the Pharaohs and Tommy James and the Shondells. BILLY: I think that’s what kept us going. BILL: I think Laurie was Gernhard’s first option. BILLY: We had started to get some royalty checks by this point and we knew they were going to want a single so we went along with it. JOHN: Tom and I actually got thrown out of Ocala High School for having long hair. I was told that I got the gig but I had to have a Vox Continental organ. BARRY: It was within a month’s time frame, literally, from the time we recorded this thing to the time it started to kick. BILL: Yes, they followed up Return with “Airplane Song” which was another novelty! We came on stage and started doing all this Procol Harum stuff and they just sat down and didn’t move for two hours! Schulz eventually gave his consent, they got a pretty healthy chunk of money, and we moved right on down the road. We had an orchestra conductor who was trying to rewrite the song because it wasn’t clinically correct but it doesn’t have to be clinically correct to be right! The Red Baron” in the mid-1960s is now a contemporary Christian musician. We held the auditions at the American Legion Hall in Belleview, right across the street from Barry Winslow’s house. Eventually our attitude did get sour. BILLY: Absolutely, we did “Sunshine of Your Love”, “Purple Haze” and lots of Procol Harum. I knew what it was but I was afraid to tell them! I was into the sound effects and finding things to hit that would make neat noises! I didn’t know there were union rules and stuff like that! BILLY: We had started to get some royalty checks by this point and we knew they were going to want a single so we went along with it. CHRIS: As soon as the guys who were still in school got out for Christmas break we did a West Coast tour. ET: Did you do any touring in support of “Snoopy Vs. ET: Well the Charlie Brown in that song is a different one from the Peanut’s Charlie Brown and not painted in the most upstanding of lights. The Red Baron”? We didn’t get his blessings. ET: After the success of “Snoopy Vs. the Red Baron”, were you given any say in what was recorded next or was it just a given it would be another Snoopy song? BILL: After “Snoopy’s Christmas”, the follow up was “I Say Love” which was an original song. ROYAL GUARDSMEN . We even did accents if we could. ET: “The Return of the Red Baron” is probably your most personal album but neither it nor the single did as well as the first ones. BARRY: Return was just one of those typical record company things. Were you pushing for something else? JOHN: When we did the Joey Bishop Show I went to move the boom mic because I didn’t sing at that time and I heard a huge voice come out of the sky and say “don’t touch that”! I also played this big line of tubular bells with flip flops on! BILLY: Absolutely, we did “Sunshine of Your Love”, “Purple Haze” and lots of Procol Harum. BILLY: We had started to get some royalty checks by this point and we knew they were going to want a single so we went along with it. We didn’t mind doing whatever they came up with from their writers as long as it was more along the lines of what we wanted to do but they pushed “Return of the Red Baron” on us. JOHN: When “I Needed You” was recorded, Chris had all the lights turned down and he made us step off to the side so we weren’t in his vision. ET: So Phil Gernhard shopped the demo around and the song ended up on Laurie. JOHN: When “I Needed You” was recorded, Chris had all the lights turned down and he made us step off to the side so we weren’t in his vision. I had fun with that thing! He told us that if we would go to Tampa and cut a demo he would shop it around to a few labels and see what happens. BILLY: We had started to get some royalty checks by this point and we knew they were going to want a single so we went along with it. BILL: We didn’t want to do any more novelty type tunes. That’s how it started for me! He only released it regionally in Florida and it only sold like 2000 copies. I don’t remember the correct order but those were the first four songs we recorded. Chris Nunley, Barry Winslow, Bill Balogh, Billy Taylor, John Burdett, the late Tom Richards. It would turn so far one way and then stop and turn the other way. Billy Taylor: Ironically, Chris’s dad was my family doctor so I knew the Nunley family. Billy Taylor (keys), The others, except for Barry, were all in college at that time. I think that’s what really kept us going after the Snoopy hit and the record company beating us with the gimmick stuff. BILL: Yes, they followed up Return with “Airplane Song” which was another novelty! We did the “Summer Shower of Stars” tour following that in the summer of 1967 with Sam the Sham and the Pharaohs and Tommy James and the Shondells. CHRIS: (in German accent) Attention! ET: That’s funny because on the cover of “The Return of the Red Baron” album, you and Tom have the shortest hair in the group. BILLY: I think that’s what kept us going. We were tired, our eyes were puffy and we were just worn out. They released that as a single and Billy and Barry wrote it. ET: I noticed that the track listing is left off the album cover. They wanted to get something out there and keep it going. You had a choice between French, Latin, or German, ironically no Spanish then, and I chose German. We got a pretty good response and so we got asked back the next time they had one of these local band shows. BILLY: We played a community center in Chicago during our 1968 tour for a bunch of hip kids. BARRY: We did one show in Seattle at a huge coliseum called The Round. We looked at the legal pad but didn’t think much about it because we had a show to play. That was our way of dealing with the whole situation. ET: Did you play different tracks live than what was on the albums? We were rehearsing the song and I was stomping my base drum foot even though I was not actually hitting the drum. Were you pushing for something else? BILL: Yes, they followed up Return with “Airplane Song” which was another novelty! What was the reaction of the record company? BILL: For our first session, we did “Baby Let’s Wait”, we did the blues song “I Needed You”, a song Tom wrote called “He Isn’t Here”, and “Leaving Me”. When Charles Schulz started drawing Snoopy on his doghouse yelling “Curse you, Red Baron”, Phil went to Dick and said why don’t you put that in the song you wrote about the Red Baron and make it a novelty thing? We had an orchestra conductor who was trying to rewrite the song because it wasn’t clinically correct but it doesn’t have to be clinically correct to be right! BILLY: I think that’s what kept us going. The pad had the words to “Snoopy vs. I wasn’t about to just let them throw me on the ground so I went to enlist and I cut all my hair off, I wasn’t going to let them do that either. How did that photo shoot come about? It was done after the record had already taken off. From what I understand, they stamped up a new title of “Squeaky vs. the Black Knight” in Canada. How did that photo shoot come about? We had people come up to us afterwards and say we came to laugh at the Snoopy boys but you guys can play! BARRY: Return was just one of those typical record company things. We will now sing together the story of the beloved Red Baron and that pig-headed dog Snoopy! He put everything into it. The true image kept asserting itself. They released that as a single and Billy and Barry wrote it. Tom was the only one in the whole school who had red hair so eventually they figured it was him. CHRIS: (in German accent) Attention! People were blown away with what we were playing. ET: So Phil Gernhard shopped the demo around and the song ended up on Laurie. It was booming through the riser I was on. Gernhard said we needed a professional photo done. That was our demo record. BARRY: It was within a month’s time frame, literally, from the time we recorded this thing to the time it started to kick. They wanted to get something out there and keep it going. There was a different sound and different tracks you wanted to play. We had people come up to us afterwards and say we came to laugh at the Snoopy boys but you guys can play! There was a different sound and different tracks you wanted to play. When we got the album done and they listed the songs, Charles Schulz asked us not to include that one. ET: Obviously, there was an official image of The Royal Guardsmen that was sold to the public and there was the true image behind that one that was a different group. It was booming through the riser I was on. It was used for talk shows and to record radio jingles. It had “Baby Let’s Wait” on the A side and “Leaving Me” on the B side because those were the first two songs we recorded. It was done after the record had already taken off. Even though we had a partition behind us it was still odd. ET: Well at least that one didn’t have the word Snoopy in it! I remember them saying they were getting the sound of my flip flops in the recording as I ran down the bells but I didn’t think anyone would be able to hear it. It was booming through the riser I was on. It was pure Dick Holler. The audience didn’t accept it though because it wasn’t what they thought of as The Royal Guardsmen. It would turn so far one way and then stop and turn the other way. The others, except for Barry, were all in college at that time. Then Christmas of 1967 came around and they wanted us to do “Snoopy’s Christmas” which we weren’t too enthusiastic about but it turned out to be a good move. ET: Did you do any touring in support of “Snoopy Vs. BILL: We didn’t want to do any more novelty type tunes. That was our way of dealing with the whole situation. The voice then said “to you, yes, don’t touch the microphone”! BILL: We played the Beatles, the Rolling Stones, the Animals, and the Zombies. Eventually our attitude did get sour. We were down there one afternoon setting up the equipment when a guy walked up to us with a yellow legal pad. There was a different sound and different tracks you wanted to play. Then Christmas of 1967 came around and they wanted us to do “Snoopy’s Christmas” which we weren’t too enthusiastic about but it turned out to be a good move. We had record companies calling, Gernhard was all excited and of course, we were too. He put everything into it. We went back into the studio in Tampa almost immediately. Another friend of mine whose name was Jay Mayer was the guitar player and the three of us formed The Posmen. People were blown away with what we were playing. Did they still want to continue with the novelty records? Probably too much heart, you can hear him literally crying in that song! BILL: We didn’t want to do any more novelty type tunes. BILLY: Well we did have the name for the group picked out so we felt we had come a long way! What was the reaction of the record company? ET: Prior to the first album being released, what types of songs did you play in your live shows? ET: “The Return of the Red Baron” is probably your most personal album but neither it nor the single did as well as the first ones. It was booming through the riser I was on. It was pure Dick Holler. Chris Nunley: Yes, the studio was a little two track hole in the wall. BARRY: They went long in Ricardo Montalban’s segment and they just threw us in there. John was from the Tampa area and was trying to manage bands. The Red Baron” or was the idea to get into the studio and record an album as quickly as possible? That was our demo record. Eventually our attitude did get sour. I also played this big line of tubular bells with flip flops on! Gernhard said we needed a professional photo done. My mother thought I was on drugs! ET: It must have been an agreeable arrangement if he stayed on as your manager. ET: “The Return of the Red Baron” is probably your most personal album but neither it nor the single did as well as the first ones. Eventually our attitude did get sour. I suspect Charles Schulz didn’t want his Charlie Brown to be associated with that one. They were that blown away. BILLY: We did a version of “Charlie Brown” for that album which was my only chance to be a star vocally. I was into the sound effects and finding things to hit that would make neat noises! BARRY: Phil sent a copy of the record and a letter to Charles Schulz. Eventually we told him to leave and finished up with the orchestra without him. There was a different sound and different tracks you wanted to play. They test marketed that but it didn’t get a really big response. Then and now across a span of 40 years, left to right (both pics): Billy Taylor, Bill Balogh, Chris Nunley. The Red Baron” on it. BILL: We had already put out “Baby Let’s Wait” on the label prior to that. John Burdett (drums) The voice then said “to you, yes, don’t touch the microphone”! BILL: We weren’t too enthusiastic about it in the first place because all Gernhard had told us was to give it three or four chords and a military feel on the drums. BARRY: It sounds just about like the demo did except it was embellished in the studio. It held forty-five thousand people and the stage revolved. Were you pushing for something else? CHRIS: We put together this kind of country, hokey-sounding thing and ran through it a couple of times. People were blown away with what we were playing. BARRY: It sounds just about like the demo did except it was embellished in the studio. The song had originally been written by Dick Holler as a straight historical ballad, like Johnny Horton’s “Sink the Bismark”, but about the Red Baron. We were rehearsing the song and I was stomping my base drum foot even though I was not actually hitting the drum. What was the reaction of the record company? After a while, it got to where we would do the Snoopy songs first just to get them out of the way. We figured nobody was ever going to hear it any way! I got to put in some instruments that they probably wouldn’t have used if I hadn’t mentioned I would like to do that. JOHN: When we did the Joey Bishop Show I went to move the boom mic because I didn’t sing at that time and I heard a huge voice come out of the sky and say “don’t touch that”! Ricardo Montalban was the co-host. Chris had the vocals for the Jagger and Burdon styles and Barry had the vocals for the Beatles. I think a lot of that has to do with it being a 180 degree departure from Snoopy. ET: I noticed that the track listing is left off the album cover. I played the timpani and a cymbal and put in a drum solo. BARRY: Return was just one of those typical record company things. JOHN: We did the Mike Douglas Show. We had to chase the mic stands and one of them hit me right in the face! From what I understand, they stamped up a new title of “Squeaky vs. the Black Knight” in Canada. We decided we needed to replace him and so we found Tom Richards in March of 1966. ET: That’s funny because on the cover of “The Return of the Red Baron” album, you and Tom have the shortest hair in the group. People were blown away with what we were playing. We both went and got hair cuts but we saved our hair and stuffed it in the school’s mail box! We were tired, our eyes were puffy and we were just worn out. I also played this big line of tubular bells with flip flops on! The Kingsmen had a hit with “Jolly Green Giant” and the Sam the Sham had “Little Red Riding Hood”. BILLY: We did a version of “Charlie Brown” for that album which was my only chance to be a star vocally. BILL: We played the Beatles, the Rolling Stones, the Animals, and the Zombies. I saw this blue-white light just arc as it shorted out on my lip! CHRIS: We wanted to write serious music. From a German point of view, the Baron is the hero and the dog is the enemy. 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